Grandma's brother's results came in this morning. Still waiting for his raw data to be available so I can upload to GEDmatch, but I at least have a few things I can do while I wait. :) I'm working on uploading files into Genome Mate Pro right now. Once I get the files in there, I can start making some comparisons.
Still waiting on Grandma's sister's results. Those are due in on Thursday.
I also managed to squeak one more test in before the end of the summer sale, a known third cousin of my grandmother's on the FALK line. That one should batch next Wednesday, which should yield results between September 28 and October 12th.
Saturday, August 27, 2016
Wednesday, August 3, 2016
Summer sale!!
Hooray! :)
FTDNA just announced a summer sale of $30 off! I had enough saved to order Family Finder tests for two kits. I decided to stick close to the tree and ordered two of my grandmother's siblings. I figure between them, my grandmother, their half-uncle, the one cousin that I've run so far, and their assumed double second cousin, I should be able to dig up a lot more KLASSEN and FALK DNA. :)
I'm really hoping to see these two kits batch today. It would be a bummer to have to wait until next week for them to batch!
FTDNA just announced a summer sale of $30 off! I had enough saved to order Family Finder tests for two kits. I decided to stick close to the tree and ordered two of my grandmother's siblings. I figure between them, my grandmother, their half-uncle, the one cousin that I've run so far, and their assumed double second cousin, I should be able to dig up a lot more KLASSEN and FALK DNA. :)
I'm really hoping to see these two kits batch today. It would be a bummer to have to wait until next week for them to batch!
Tuesday, June 21, 2016
Kit Updates
Currently we have:
- 5 Loewen/Franz kits at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Petkau/Klassen kit still outstanding
- 1 Petkau/Klassen kit at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Falk/Guenther & Schpansky/Warkentin at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Falk/Klassen kit at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Kroeker/Falk kit should batch tomorrow.
So... of the 10 unprocessed kits, 9 are at the lab and 1 is outstanding! :)
- 5 Loewen/Franz kits at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Petkau/Klassen kit still outstanding
- 1 Petkau/Klassen kit at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Falk/Guenther & Schpansky/Warkentin at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Falk/Klassen kit at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Kroeker/Falk kit should batch tomorrow.
So... of the 10 unprocessed kits, 9 are at the lab and 1 is outstanding! :)
Wednesday, June 8, 2016
Harder than I'd hoped....
Well, I'm finished with the initial analysis of the FALK/KLASSEN kit. I have learned a few things.
1) If Peter & Katharina were brother and sister, this would make their kids double first cousins, because Peter married Susanna, and Katharina married Jakob, Susanna's brother.
2) This also makes Peter & Katharina's grandchildren double second cousins:
As double second cousins, we would expect them to share about 425 cM of DNA. So far, I've tested three possible double second cousins: my grandmother (circle pictured above), her first cousin (not pictured) and the man represented by the square above.
Grandma's first cousin and the man represented by the square share 490cM of DNA. That's great. That's about 65cM more than we would expect. However... they share X DNA. Because they're both males, we know this DNA could only have come from their mothers. Grandma's first cousin's mother doesn't factor into the KLASSEN puzzle to my knowledge but the mother of the man represented by the square was actually a KLASSEN. *alarm bells* The fact that they do share X DNA does indicate some sort of relationship between Anna (pictured above) and the mother of Grandma's first cousin (not pictured). It could be another KLASSEN connection, or it could be completely inconsequential to what we're working on with our KLASSEN line. Right now there's no way to know for sure, but it is enough that it could account for the extra 65cM of DNA they share.
Grandma and the man represented by the square share about 319cM of DNA. That's a little less than I had hoped for, but not enough less that it's a problem for them being double second cousins.
Between the three relatives, they share a total of about 809cM, of which only 69cM overlaps. We know now that it's likely those 69cM came from some combination of David Falk & Maria Schpansky, and the unknown Klassen parents, but we need to get more data in order to figure out which of the pairs each piece came from, and from there, which person in each pair it came from.
So, now we wait for that KROEKER/KLASSEN test. That relative is a half-uncle of my grandmother and her first cousin, so they should each share 850 cM of DNA with him. He's also a first cousin, once removed to the man represented by the square above, so they should share 425cM of DNA, some of which will be shared with my grandmother, some of which will be shared with my grandmother's first cousin, some of which all four of them will share, and some of which will only be shared between the first cousins, once removed. Based on the known relationships, the 425cM of DNA that the KROEKER relative and the man represented by the square share should have all come from David Falk & Maria Schpansky, since the KROEKER relative has no known connection to the KLASSEN line. Getting those segments figured out will help a bunch.
I *know* that was confusing, so if you have any questions, please leave me a comment and ask! :)
1) If Peter & Katharina were brother and sister, this would make their kids double first cousins, because Peter married Susanna, and Katharina married Jakob, Susanna's brother.
2) This also makes Peter & Katharina's grandchildren double second cousins:
As double second cousins, we would expect them to share about 425 cM of DNA. So far, I've tested three possible double second cousins: my grandmother (circle pictured above), her first cousin (not pictured) and the man represented by the square above.
Grandma's first cousin and the man represented by the square share 490cM of DNA. That's great. That's about 65cM more than we would expect. However... they share X DNA. Because they're both males, we know this DNA could only have come from their mothers. Grandma's first cousin's mother doesn't factor into the KLASSEN puzzle to my knowledge but the mother of the man represented by the square was actually a KLASSEN. *alarm bells* The fact that they do share X DNA does indicate some sort of relationship between Anna (pictured above) and the mother of Grandma's first cousin (not pictured). It could be another KLASSEN connection, or it could be completely inconsequential to what we're working on with our KLASSEN line. Right now there's no way to know for sure, but it is enough that it could account for the extra 65cM of DNA they share.
Grandma and the man represented by the square share about 319cM of DNA. That's a little less than I had hoped for, but not enough less that it's a problem for them being double second cousins.
Between the three relatives, they share a total of about 809cM, of which only 69cM overlaps. We know now that it's likely those 69cM came from some combination of David Falk & Maria Schpansky, and the unknown Klassen parents, but we need to get more data in order to figure out which of the pairs each piece came from, and from there, which person in each pair it came from.
So, now we wait for that KROEKER/KLASSEN test. That relative is a half-uncle of my grandmother and her first cousin, so they should each share 850 cM of DNA with him. He's also a first cousin, once removed to the man represented by the square above, so they should share 425cM of DNA, some of which will be shared with my grandmother, some of which will be shared with my grandmother's first cousin, some of which all four of them will share, and some of which will only be shared between the first cousins, once removed. Based on the known relationships, the 425cM of DNA that the KROEKER relative and the man represented by the square share should have all come from David Falk & Maria Schpansky, since the KROEKER relative has no known connection to the KLASSEN line. Getting those segments figured out will help a bunch.
I *know* that was confusing, so if you have any questions, please leave me a comment and ask! :)
It's in!
I got the results for the FALK/KLASSEN kit yesterday, a couple hours after my post about waiting. :)
I spent a good part of yesterday catching up on emails and messages pertaining to the other kits I manage. I was able to compare yesterday's kit to my grandmother's first cousin, and while they share about 6.25% of their DNA, it didn't seem to be in very many places that overlap with my grandmother. This is both good and bad news. The bad news is that I wasn't really able to draw any conclusions from my investigations yesterday. The good news is that this means that we should have a good portion of KLASSEN DNA and a good portion of FALK DNA uncovered. Next up is the challenge of figuring out what is what. That's where the KROEKER/FALK kit will come in, and another FALK kit that I'll run at Christmas. I also have another KLASSEN/FALK first cousin kit to run at Christmas, as well as one of Grandma's sisters, and hopefully a brother by then too.
While I was writing this post, I was uploading the raw data from yesterday's kit to GEDmatch.com so I can compare him against my 23anme kits. Historically that has been a long process, but it only took about 5 minutes this time!
Doing a quick comparison between my grandmother and the FALK/KLASSEN kit from yesterday, it looks like they share about 180cM LESS DNA than my grandmother's first cousin and the FALK/KLASSEN relative do. That's a bit disappointing, but all the more reason to test multiple people in the same family. I'll do a more thorough analysis of their shared DNA after breakfast.
I spent a good part of yesterday catching up on emails and messages pertaining to the other kits I manage. I was able to compare yesterday's kit to my grandmother's first cousin, and while they share about 6.25% of their DNA, it didn't seem to be in very many places that overlap with my grandmother. This is both good and bad news. The bad news is that I wasn't really able to draw any conclusions from my investigations yesterday. The good news is that this means that we should have a good portion of KLASSEN DNA and a good portion of FALK DNA uncovered. Next up is the challenge of figuring out what is what. That's where the KROEKER/FALK kit will come in, and another FALK kit that I'll run at Christmas. I also have another KLASSEN/FALK first cousin kit to run at Christmas, as well as one of Grandma's sisters, and hopefully a brother by then too.
While I was writing this post, I was uploading the raw data from yesterday's kit to GEDmatch.com so I can compare him against my 23anme kits. Historically that has been a long process, but it only took about 5 minutes this time!
Doing a quick comparison between my grandmother and the FALK/KLASSEN kit from yesterday, it looks like they share about 180cM LESS DNA than my grandmother's first cousin and the FALK/KLASSEN relative do. That's a bit disappointing, but all the more reason to test multiple people in the same family. I'll do a more thorough analysis of their shared DNA after breakfast.
Tuesday, June 7, 2016
Tomorrow
Tomorrow is a big day in my genealogy journey. Tomorrow is the first day that we could have confirmation of Peter Klassen's sister's identity. Stating it like that makes it sound so simple, when it really probably won't be. Because Peter's sister married Susanna's brother (we assume, from pictorial evidence), their kids are double first cousins. This means that they share double the amount of DNA that plain old first cousins share. And of course, that double amount of DNA will trickle down through the family to their descendants, namely, Peter's sister's grandson, and Susanna's son. Sorting out the FALK DNA from the KLASSEN DNA will be an interesting process. But tomorrow is the first day it could begin.
However, it's not uncommon for tests to be delayed the first time they go through processing. I don't think we'll actually get results tomorrow. I'll be very surprised if we do. I'm just hoping that the test makes it through on the first round of processing so we don't have to wait and wait and wait. :)
The other big piece of this puzzle that we're waiting on is the KROEKER/FALK test. That one should be on it's way back to the lab now. I called that relative last week and coached him through swabbing his cheeks and preparing his test for mailing. Hopefully he did it right! I guess we'll see in a week or two when the lab records it as received. Comparing his DNA against the other FALK/KLASSEN test (from the first paragraph) will be key, because the only DNA they should share (hopefully) is the FALK DNA. But there should be twice as much of it as there would normally be, so.... I guess we'll have to see!
All that to say, I'm really hoping we get the results from the first test tomorrow!
However, it's not uncommon for tests to be delayed the first time they go through processing. I don't think we'll actually get results tomorrow. I'll be very surprised if we do. I'm just hoping that the test makes it through on the first round of processing so we don't have to wait and wait and wait. :)
The other big piece of this puzzle that we're waiting on is the KROEKER/FALK test. That one should be on it's way back to the lab now. I called that relative last week and coached him through swabbing his cheeks and preparing his test for mailing. Hopefully he did it right! I guess we'll see in a week or two when the lab records it as received. Comparing his DNA against the other FALK/KLASSEN test (from the first paragraph) will be key, because the only DNA they should share (hopefully) is the FALK DNA. But there should be twice as much of it as there would normally be, so.... I guess we'll have to see!
All that to say, I'm really hoping we get the results from the first test tomorrow!
Wednesday, May 25, 2016
Kit Updates!
Currently we have:
- 4 Loewen/Franz kits at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Loewen/Franz kit outstanding
- 1 Falk/Klassen kit in processing, results due end of June
- 1 Petkau/Klassen kit still outstanding
- 1 Petkau/Klassen kit at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Falk/Guenther & Schpansky/Warkentin at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Falk/Klassen kit at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Kroeker/Falk kit still outstanding
So... of the 11 unprocessed kits, 7 are at the lab and 1 is processing! :)
- 4 Loewen/Franz kits at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Loewen/Franz kit outstanding
- 1 Falk/Klassen kit in processing, results due end of June
- 1 Petkau/Klassen kit still outstanding
- 1 Petkau/Klassen kit at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Falk/Guenther & Schpansky/Warkentin at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Falk/Klassen kit at the lab waiting for a sale
- 1 Kroeker/Falk kit still outstanding
So... of the 11 unprocessed kits, 7 are at the lab and 1 is processing! :)
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